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paulf Sep 5, 2019 @ 9:15pm
Infinite scroll feedback and answers
G'day everyone,

I'm one of the developers behind the new infinite scroll functionality, which we've rolled out as part of experiment 004. I just want to address some of the feedback we've received thus far.

I know there are a lot of personal preferences around how the search page is used, and whether pagination or infinite scroll is better. I can assure you that we're not going to require you to equip infinite scroll if it's not your jam. There will be a persistent option to turn the feature off. Folks on older browsers, or those with javascript turned off, will continue to see the paginated search by default.

I also know being able to see the total search results number is very popular, so we'll make sure that finds its way back. The search knows up-front how many games there are, but what it doesn't know how many are already in your library/wishlist/ignore-list, as we do that filtering on-the-fly (as results are loaded into your browser). We're still discussing the best way to communicate that the "total results returned" may include some you won't see if you've got library/wishlist/ignored filters enabled.

Finally, we've already got a patch tested and ready to go for folks with very tall browsers who may find that infiniscroll doesn't start. It will roll out with the next store refresh.

Thanks again for being a test subject, and if you have further infinite scroll feedback, let me know in the discussion below!

~ Paul
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Originally posted by BirdOfPray:
Can we have a mini-screen which shows the games screenshots and tags when we hover the mouse on it?
Maybe you mean something else, but this was added years ago. You just stop moving the cursor for a second while hovering over a game and it shows you screenshots, amount of reviews and tags.
testman Sep 6, 2019 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by paulf:
Thanks again for being a test subject
It's what I do.
BirdOfPray Sep 6, 2019 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by ...:
Originally posted by BirdOfPray:
Can we have a mini-screen which shows the games screenshots and tags when we hover the mouse on it?
Maybe you mean something else, but this was added years ago. You just stop moving the cursor for a second while hovering over a game and it shows you screenshots, amount of reviews and tags.

My bad, I think my connection was slow and couldn't show in time. It works I like it.
Also, my feedback. First of all, if the filters you set exclude too many games, every scroll loads only a small handful of games instead of working as intended (and as it works if you don't set any filters) - loading like 25 games or more. In fact, here in discussions I have seen someone who had to scroll a few times for just one game to load, so the issue is quite dire. Apparently, infinite scroll uses pagination results internally: loads a page or two, removes some games according to the filters and then shows all games that weren't filtered out. So, if most games were filtered out, it will show only a few that are left, that's why there's this issue. If filtering before pagination is not an option (because of computational intensity, I guess), then why not to load new games like that: load a few pages, filter them, then check how many games are left. If less than, say, 25, load one more page and filter it. Continue until you have at least 25 games in the result or you hit the last page. It won't make loading slower for most users since it's a simple count check and most users will have 25 games after the first filtering or a few first filterings. On the other hand it will really help those of us who get like 5 games after every scroll. Yeah, will make loading slower for those users, but still faster and more usable than when they get 3 games, then scroll again, then get 3 more games.

Second, there's an issue that makes infinite scroll sorta useless. Imagine it's sale, and I'm browsing discounts. I see an interesting game and visit its store page, or maybe I get a notification about friends' activity and check it, doesn't matter. But when I get back to the search, I'm back to the very top of the search because its state isn't saved in any way, and I have to scroll down a lot to get back to the game where I stopped. I'm not quite sure how to fix it... I mean, one way is to have a GET parameter in the URL that would reflect the state of the infinite scroll, and this parameter will probably be the number of the last page that was used to show new games to the user, I just don't know when you can change this parameter. Maybe when you lazy-load a new bunch of games? Or, if it's not possible, when the user clicks some game? Should be possible with JavaScript, I believe.
Last edited by Endless Challenger; Sep 6, 2019 @ 6:32am
Dunstan Sep 6, 2019 @ 5:56am 
Hello. First of all i want to tell i like the new scroll bar.

I want to share some ideas/observations:

1- One problem I see is that when click on a game to check it, and come back to the search, it resets, wich make us start all over.

2- I can see the infinite scroll as a problem (over all when search on the web) bcs jump pages on the web is the fastest way to search if you are checking games by price. The best thing (i think) could be to combine both systems and have some landmarks (pages) to jump there instantly instead of scroll down all the way.

That is all for now, sorry for the bad english

Californ1a Sep 6, 2019 @ 8:29am 
A jump to top button would be nice to get back to the filters panel after you've scrolled for a while, or have the filters scroll with you in their own separate scrollbox.
Nadezhda Sep 6, 2019 @ 9:46am 
Have an option to turn off the infini-scroll in the Steam client itself and then I'll be happy. Don't want it all the time, but being able to turn it off might help me spend more time in my day doing others things instead of looking at video games I want, you sneaky bastards. ;)
GraphXGames Sep 6, 2019 @ 11:57am 
Show at the end of the list how many records are still invisible.
frankycl Sep 6, 2019 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by Yosuf:

1- One problem I see is that when click on a game to check it, and come back to the search, it resets, wich make us start all over.

You can always use a new / additional tab (middle mouse-button as default) - then you can always return to the position you've been before. ;-)

@ Paul / steam: I really like the new (scroll-) options - well done. :hotspot:
Last edited by frankycl; Sep 6, 2019 @ 1:54pm
Execu†ioner Sep 6, 2019 @ 10:00pm 
Please do not scroll endlessly. It's horrible. I like to buy old games by years of release. I use pages. It is very convenient. I collect certain games and endless scrolling destroys my entire quick search for games. for me it is not very convenient. Please think of an option that would switch the search between endless scrolling and pages.
We won't need endless Scrolling. I like how the new search would look like. but I wish that games that are via "Free to play" either for a limited time or it's a "Free to get" for a limited time could show in someway.
Execu†ioner Sep 7, 2019 @ 8:08am 
Please do not remove the ability to turn pages in a new search. Everything is good in it except for endless scrolling. I like to play old games. Your search cannot help me find my childhood games. Therefore, I look at each page in search of the cherished game. And if you enter endless scrolling, I will lose my childhood. New games are good, but the best games for me are at the end of the list and I beg you not to remove the search on the pages. You can add an option that will switch the store between endless scrolling and pages. In Origin, there are only 500-600 games, scrolling to the very end takes 10 minutes. There are 30 thousand on Steam. You will kill me.
Californ1a Sep 7, 2019 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by Execu†ioner:
Please do not scroll endlessly.
Originally posted by BlueRaptor The Night Fury:
We won't need endless Scrolling.
Originally posted by Execu†ioner:
Please do not remove the ability to turn pages in a new search.
Read the post, don't just complain for the sake of complaining. The lab is just to test the filters and infinite scroll, but in the second paragraph of OP:
Originally posted by paulf:
I know there are a lot of personal preferences around how the search page is used, and whether pagination or infinite scroll is better. I can assure you that we're not going to require you to equip infinite scroll if it's not your jam. There will be a persistent option to turn the feature off. Folks on older browsers, or those with javascript turned off, will continue to see the paginated search by default.
Last edited by Californ1a; Sep 7, 2019 @ 1:10pm
Smiling Spectre Sep 9, 2019 @ 1:50am 
Endless scrolling can be good, if you simply browsing everything.

But the same scrolling is bad if you (as me) methodically check everything new - just because sheer number of games it's quite hard to find where is "new" start, if there is no any visual dividers.

Announced choice between endless and paged output would be great, as for me.
Last edited by Smiling Spectre; Sep 9, 2019 @ 1:51am
Prippo Sep 9, 2019 @ 6:33pm 
I think you should add an option to increase the size of the tiles. It would make it easier to really see what your scrolling through when scrolling quickly.
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