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steevm Apr 20, 2021 @ 3:26pm
Text Filter blocking standard English words
The poorly configured text filter - using wildcards instead of checking for actual offensive terms - blocks the word "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" (n. - a trifling doubt, objection of complaint), see https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ . I noticed this after posting a review that was talking about "minor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" in a game.

Edit: It seems this breaindead feature also replaces the content of a URL with hearts, which is just insane. Anyway, the word is "nig_gles".

This is nothing to do with the n-word; you need to update your filter so as not to exclude perfectly common English words.

If you are using wildcards, you will end up blocking all sorts of innocuous stuff. It's bad practice - at least use wildcards sensibly (e.g. single characters rather than entire substrings, or ? rather than *).
Last edited by steevm; Sep 7, 2024 @ 6:59am
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Elucidator Apr 28, 2021 @ 9:05am 
you know,
its kinda like how search engines force show you results you don't want.
(you look for something and get whatever is popular on youtube instead of information)

♥♥♥ laude (latin) means 'with praise'.
though because of street usage of the first word in the english community, its filtered 'everywhere'. For foreingers you can probably see how it gets even weirder as such. (for example, because some words have the same spelling and mean something else entirely in their native tongue, they may find it very odd it gets filtered and likely think the english community should be less sensitive or something.)

I mean, the reverse is also true. For example, I think the english word lull means calm? In slang its often shortened to lul and as such can be confused with the 'uncomfortable laugh'. In dutch slang though, its vulgar. It refers to a person (the speaker doesn't like or agree with on their behavior) or a specific biological organ (you know). In other words, it carries the same meaning as the d-word, which can also be someone's first name.

I mean the dutch and english are next door neighbors, and as such one finds it having a symbolic calming atmosphere, whilest the other would likely... have an eye twitch.

Anyway I suspect the word (lull) isn't filtered, if it is I would be surprised.
Edit: confirmed it isn't filtered.

- not to mention people don't entirely know what street words mean since their meaning can be vague. For example, one word might carry a (insert)-phobic sense to one person, but to the other it sounds more casual (although rude), due to it simply being a reference to someone's biology. (it can be anything)
(and it's not about rudeness since, I mean, laughing at something is kinda rude and this isn't filtered.)
Last edited by Elucidator; Apr 28, 2021 @ 10:40am
steevm Apr 28, 2021 @ 10:30am 
I have no idea why you'd think someone would make this up and then make a post about it. But fine...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2470567266
Elucidator Apr 28, 2021 @ 10:43am 
I guess I failed to make the message I wanted to say come over correctly. That is why I added more text as well, but it still wasn't enough.
Anyway sorry. I meant the word 'lull' in that one line.

I was basically naming another example. I wasn't trying to make it look like you were making this stuff up.
Also I have no clue which word that is, the one you used. All I see are hearts. I can't see the original, even though I have the filters turned off currently.

Edit: basically my reply was to you mentioning the scunthrope problem.
I thought the entirety of my post would make that clear somehow. I mean I haven't mentioned how to make a regex whitelist or something.
(I guess sooner or later that term too becomes offensive, even though it's a reference to complete opposite colors, not whatever people think, since they associate themselves or others by coincidence with the same colors.)

Edit 2: Found your word
-Not related to the n-word it even says.
First attested in 1599. Origin uncertain, but likely borrowed from dialectal Norwegian nigla

Haven't heard of it before no, and sorry to see it gets filtered. I suppose its because there are a lot of young people on the platform that may read other things and cause a mess somewhere, which Steam maybe trying to avoid. Unfortunately the word filter options aren't working properly (apparently) otherwise I would probably see your word.
Last edited by Elucidator; Apr 28, 2021 @ 11:15am
steevm Apr 28, 2021 @ 11:14am 
Ah, no, it wasn't clear that you were talking about "lull". The word that is blanked out is NI double G, LES btw.

The whole idea of text filters is an exercise in futility, especially on an international forum like steam. One language's innocent term of endearment is another language's racist slur.

A very short list of "banned" words might just about work. But really, the only viable solution is moderation and user engagement (report to mods). Flagging up certain problem terms automatically for mods to look at can also help, but can also just result in a deluge that there's no way of getting on top of.

A great example of how doomed these automated filters are was in a game I played recently that had an overly aggressive multi-language filter. This was a football (i.e. soccer) game, and the filter would block words like "passes" because it contains the substring "asses". If you can't talk about "playing passes" in a football game, something is wrong.

So while I understand why steam might think this is a good idea, it's not, especially not with blanket reg exes.

I know the companies don't want to pay people to do the work because that costs money, but it's the only way to do it properly. So I think this undertaking is doomed from the start because it hasn't worked anywhere else, I don't see why steam are suddenly going to crack a very difficult problem.
Last edited by steevm; Apr 28, 2021 @ 11:15am
steevm Apr 28, 2021 @ 11:30am 
To add to the above; it's way easier to circumvent a filter (it takes 3 seconds) than it is to implement one that actually works properly.
zaphodikus Oct 17, 2021 @ 7:44am 
Basically we need game publishers to either nominate more mods, or pay their mods to be more active. It's very simple social science.
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