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This is just one reason
. . . why God is not like us!

. . . why God is not just some "sky daddy".

When I'm not on Steam, I'm usually on Quora. There's a guy there I follow who is a Catholic autistic attorney. While I may disagree with him on Christian doctrine, he comes up with some really good answers sometimes.
If God already knew what would happen in the future, as if everything were planned and unchangeable, does that mean our world is just a story that’s already been scripted?

No. It means our world is a story that’s already been read.

Picture a man standing with one foot at Point A and another foot two feet away, at Point B. It’s not even worth visualizing, right? It’s just how people always are—occupying Point A, Point B, and all the points between, simultaneously.

We are spatially extended—i.e., we occupy dimensions in space, rather than merely occupying a singular, 0-dimensional point.

But we are not temporally extended. At any given instant, we occupy only a single instant in time, and that instant moves inexorably in a single temporal dimension, forward at one second per second.

There is no reason, however, that this must be the case. Time, so Einstein tells us, is a dimension just like the three spatial dimensions. There is no reason some entity could not be temporally extended, occupying a “spread” of points along the timeline all at once rather than sequentially.

Now, because we are spatially extended, there is nothing weird at all about the fact that I, standing at Point A, can observe or even influence what is happening at Point B without ever ceasing to be at Point A.

Right?

I mean, how strange would it be if you were sitting in your chair, reached out to pick up your glass of milk off the table… and your dining companion were to exclaim, “How did you do that?!? You were over there, and then you moved the glass way over there!”

You’d look at your companion like he’d gone insane. Has he really never seen someone reach out his arm before?!

Likewise, imagine a person takes two steps away from you… and acts like he’s invisible to you. “How could you see what I was doing? You weren’t there! You were two whole feet away!”

Weird, right?

God is temporally extended.

That is, it’s not that God, at Time A, foresees or predicts what we will do at Time B, later. Rather, God, at Time A, is already also at Time B, and is simply seeing us take those actions, as easily as I can see you across a room.

He doesn’t know what we will do before we’ve done it. He knows what we are doing in the future when we do it—but for Him, the future is already happening while He is still, simultaneously, in the Now.

That sounds odd or even impossible to us, because we have no experience of what it would even be like to be temporally extended. But for God, that’s normal.

Yes, God is the divine Author. But He has delegated to us the privilege of writing our own parts in the story. He doesn’t write them for us—but He does read them and write around them, weaving them seamlessly into His own narrative.

He simply has already read the parts that we haven’t yet gotten around to writing.
(Question answered by Anthony Zarrella[www.quora.com])
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Interesting metaphor (is that the right word?) and overall deep subject.

I look at the time and God's omniscience like this: point A and B with a near infinite number of pathways between A and B. God simply knows every single pathway. We still have freedom of choice to choose which of those paths we desire (good & bad), but ultimately, God already knows even though we don't.

Not sure if that's correct but it makes sense to my little pea brain mind. Regardless, this is a "God attribute" (for lack of better word) that we, as mere man, can't possibly fathom; at least not fully.

Always interesting to read different ideas on this. Good stuff. :104:
Wow. This just blew my mind.

This guy must be a very high-functioning autist, because holy moly that's an extremely intelligent answer. And it's so true, too!

I'm going to remember this the next time I find myself in a discussion about Calvinism. :steamthumbsup:
People naturally want to explain God or put Him in a box of all sorts, and also debate on our role within His creation, where some take it as us being co-creators within creation or God responding to our actions and moving around that, and others taking it that God is in full control and leaves no room for any of that and that His Sovereignity and Holiness only allows that what is according to His Sovereign Will and plan.

Our brain can't comprehent the fullness and holiness of God. The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. It reminds me also of: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9

Thankfully we can know God through His Word as it tells us everything we need to know about His unchanging Holy character. Together with the Holy Spirit that abides in a born again believer.

One day we as His children will worship our Creator for all eternity. And we will be in complete awe when we see Him in His glory. And I can't wait to see the one who created us and made us a dot in this universe, so small, to show how unsearchable His Ways are to us little grasshoppers.
Mr_C_ Dec 3 @ 5:35pm 
Originally posted by Theophilus:
Wow. This just blew my mind.

This guy must be a very high-functioning autist, because holy moly that's an extremely intelligent answer. And it's so true, too!

I'm going to remember this the next time I find myself in a discussion about Calvinism. :steamthumbsup:
Yeah, I only mentioned him being autistic because I am too, I just generally don't make a big deal about it. Not all of us are really cringe, and I run across some good answers there by others on the spectrum. As we say on that site, "If you've met one person on the spectrum, you've met ONE person on the spectrum." We're not all the same. :csdsmile:

I follow him because of that and his legal reasoning. His Christian answers are usually well-reasoned, except the RCC dogma slants from time to time.

And yeah, it does run a little counter to Calvinist doctrine RE: predestination. I wasn't really thinking about that aspect when I read/re-posted.
I think he is trying to explain God through Quantum Physics.
Mr_C_ Dec 3 @ 10:02pm 
Originally posted by Sandra ✧✞°•:
I think he is trying to explain God through Quantum Physics.
This Scripture comes to mind:
1 Cor. 9:21-23 (KJV)

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
The question relates to both omniscience and omnipresence, both immutable characteristics of God--but it's inadequate because the underlying premise is that God is found at the end of life, rather than omnipresent.

So how do we correct inadequate doctrine? The best way is to couch it in terms the listener might more easily understand--like quantum physics. I mean, truly scientific knowledge is neutral, except that done with atheistic/ungodly presuppositions, like historical science (evolutionism, for example).

The answer also attacks the foundation of Calvinism/predeterminism, which is fine with me.
I understand why this is a fascinating read. It is a very interesting theory. The author's post is physics flavored and read philosophically clever, but measured against Scripture it is fundamentally mistaken on at least three key doctrines: the nature of time, the future, and the relationship between God's Sovereignty and human freedom.

Prior to my salvation we would look at God through a philosophical lens and specifically Quantum Physics to prove God's existence and seeing God merely as observer of His creation and us being co-creators working together with Him. I see a lot of that flavor back in the author's explanation of God. That is why I think he is looking at God through a Quantum Physics lens.

I personally have chosen to steer away from these speculative and philosophical roads because of what the Bible says about it, and from experiencing how such theories and speculations can easily linger as facts, especially to baby Christians who are not grounded in God's Word yet, and because it can highly effect the way we will read and interpret Scripture and worse, how we begin to look at God Himself.

I don't care about these man-made labels either. I've never associated with any label other than being a follower of Jesus Christ, a Christian and I also have stayed away from these social media quarreling and debates between different streams within Christianity, as they often will only ruin the ears of the hearer.

My perspective is that I believe our unchanging God revealed everything we need to know about Him and His full character and counsel through His Word and that we can hold on to that revelation and keep looking through the lens of Scripture, because Scripture comes from the source Himself and His Word is 100% trustworthy. And as long as we are still like grasshoppers, we will never be able to fathom what God has done from beginning to end. I always keep Job 38 in mind when I run into something that I can't fully comprehend: “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.”
Mr_C_ Dec 3 @ 11:39pm 
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
You are welcome Sir. Because of my New Age background, God makes me able to recognize similar teachings quickly.

Quantum mysticism covered as theology.
New Age autonomy (we write the script, God adapts), which leads to
Gnostic inversion of the Creator and creature roles.
Metaphysical speculation.
Quiet rejection of God’s Sovereignty and foreknowledge.

It sounds intellectual and spiritual, and from a philosophical point it absolutely is, but what is claimed is unbiblical and not aligned with Christianity. People often say things aren't just black and white (or yellow), but when it comes to God we can trust that Scripture is plain and clear. I would hate to see a brother or sister tumble down some rabbit hole. May God bless you and keep you. :GoldCross::shinealight::peace_dove:
"It is our full belief that God has foreknown and predestinated everything that happens in heaven above or in the earth beneath, and that the foreknown station of a reed by the river is as fixed as the station of a king, and "the chaff from the hand of the winnower is steered as the stars in their courses"

Charles H. Spurgeon, Prayer Certified of Success, January 19th 1873
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Originally posted by Sandra ✧✞°•:
IThe author's post is physics flavored and read philosophically clever, but measured against Scripture it is fundamentally mistaken on at least three key doctrines: the nature of time, the future, and the relationship between God's Sovereignty and human freedom.

Would you mind expanding on this? I don't see how it conflicts with the scripture on those three points, but I am not as knowledgeable with exact passages as many of the people here on these forums are. I'm always up to learning something new.
I love all these answers. Who knew gamers were so smart??? lol.
Theophilus Dec 4 @ 2:51pm 
I personally believe that I chose to be saved, because I chose to believe in The Lord Jesus Christ, that He died for my sins and that He will grant me eternal life. If it's not my choice, then how could I possibly know even if I'm saved, and not just self-deceived? I think, what the OP is saying is that, God gave us the choice, but that He already knew what choice we would make. So, God already knew that I would choose Him, and that's a comforting thought. God bless you all. :faithgoldcrux:
Legion Dec 4 @ 6:28pm 
Originally posted by Theophilus:
I personally believe that I chose to be saved, because I chose to believe in The Lord Jesus Christ, that He died for my sins and that He will grant me eternal life. If it's not my choice, then how could I possibly know even if I'm saved, and not just self-deceived? I think, what the OP is saying is that, God gave us the choice, but that He already knew what choice we would make. So, God already knew that I would choose Him, and that's a comforting thought. God bless you all. :faithgoldcrux:

Gods sovereignty and mans free will are two things I have a hard time understanding, yet both are mentioned in scripture.

Without God drawing us we couldn't be saved, yet at the same time the bible talks of our responsibility to repent and believe in Jesus.

The bible talks of predestination so I believe it, yet I have no idea how it truly works.
I don't believe, as some calvinist, that some people are just made to go to hell and that they can't be saved.
It says God wants all to be saved so I believe it is possible for anyone to be saved.
Since his answer seems to be based on calculus or quantum calculus, that seems like a really long explanation to say that the concept of God's existence (or reality) can be expressed by dividing by zero (approaching or equal to infinity).
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