i'm not even christian but i like being in groups like this when all your predictions come true :P
world was better under you guys than atheists with brainworms who think they know what's best for people

Originally posted by HomeStuckIndiaOfficial:

i'm not even christian but i like being in groups like this when all your predictions come true :P
world was better under you guys than atheists with brainworms who think they know what's best for people

G-d is neither religious or political (it was man that created both institutions to control and rule over people). His word--the bible--tells us how we should be living and behaving with each other.

Not sure if omitting the 'o' vowel in 'God' is a matter of personal conviction for you or what. But, I assure you, you can say God as much as you want. His name is Jesus - the name above all names. :)

Interesting, one would think that a better use of these resources is fixing India's infrastructure. After all, India is the 2nd most populated country on earth, you need lots and lots of infrastructure to handle that. At least, that's as far as I know about the current situation in India.

I'm doubtful that anything like this would come to America though, since lots of us Americans have guns and would revolt against Biometric Scanning.

Originally posted by Theophilus:

Interesting, one would think that a better use of these resources is fixing India's infrastructure. After all, India is the 2nd most populated country on earth, you need lots and lots of infrastructure to handle that. At least, that's as far as I know about the current situation in India.

I'm doubtful that anything like this would come to America though, since lots of us Americans have guns and would revolt against Biometric Scanning.

Eh, you'd be surprised what the people guns will accept as long as it's "their side" that's promoting it. I no longer believe that the second amendment will prevent things like the mark of the beast (if that's what this is) from happening in the US.

On the other hand though, more and more people are realizing that wolves in the government can be subdued without threats of violence from the masses (which is essentially what the second amendment is). Those in the government who don't follow the teachings of Christ are nearly always worshipers of mammon instead, which makes them vulnerable to those who care more about doing what's right than chasing wealth or material goods. Already people are starting to realize that refusing to buy certain products is much more effective than simply owning guns

It makes me happy to see this too, as it's much more in line with the words of Christ than using the second amendment as the sole protection against an overbearing government. It feels like a fulfillment of the "Blessed are the meek" (Matthew 5:5) passage, among others.

Tbph there are loads of businesses that already accept that tap-2-pay option which, in my opinion, isn't that far off (from the mark) and is disconcertingly lightning fast for a payment method. It's also really annoying when you go to purchase something and they ask you to confirm the amount of the purchase. I guess it's meant as a stopgap measure? If there were a different means of earning income besides being so worldly then my wife and I would gladly accept it over driving 1k miles per week (for contract work) & farmers/craft markets on the weekends (for a handmade products business) but it's what we have to do to keep things going for the time being. I truly pray there were other options available in our area but there simply do not seem to be any.

I listen to Jesse Kelly's program, and he's been doing a "Crappiest Country" segment. India has been in the running for a couple of rounds. It seems to me that they have worse things to be concerned about than implementing a biometric payment system, unless it's an attempt to resolve a societal issue.

Now if they would only resolve their sanitation, poverty, and rape issues, that would be an accomplishment.

Oh most definitely agreed on the issues. Especially the sanitation... in the river... yes, that river. The one the entire country depends on yet somehow no one can seem to clean up yet everyone bathes in every single day?

Yeah, India is definitely a place you want to emulate.

Rolling blackouts, normalized public defecation, rat catchers constantly running around beating sizable rats to death with a stick (city job - approx 90 rupee per rat), beat to hell pickup trucks driving around with beds full of dead rats, seemingly normalized sexual assaults, godawful personal hygiene and strange fixations with cow poop.

That's just scratching the surface.

Lovely place.

So I am a cyber security expert (for real) and I live in a country in Europe where we have these smart ID's containing biometric identification information and it isn't a big deal and I don't know why you think it is. If America had this it would prevent or greatly disrupt: illegal employment, illegal voting, illegal bank account opening, welfare fraud, and make many legal transactions easier. Notaries use it to notarize documents remotely. You can make huge financial transactions without going to a bank or signing anything. America is in the stone age with their signature based documents and tax system, among many other things.

Originally posted by God-Jesus Lives:

So I am a cyber security expert (for real) and I live in a country in Europe where we have these smart ID's containing biometric identification information and it isn't a big deal and I don't know why you think it is. If America had this it would prevent or greatly disrupt: illegal employment, illegal voting, illegal bank account opening, welfare fraud, and make many legal transactions easier. Notaries use it to notarize documents remotely. You can make huge financial transactions without going to a bank or signing anything. America is in the stone age with their signature based documents and tax system, among many other things.

Not all documents require an actual signature. Attorneys have been submitting filings in the court systems for a few years now with an e-signature, as long as they are using the online filing systems as registered users (admitted to practice in the jurisdiction).

Then we have "tap to pay" and chips embedded in credit/debit cards, along with PINs. We might not be there, but we're not that far behind. I'm sure it's all about regulatory issues.

Nearly 30+ years in the IT industry and biometric security isn't what it's cracked up to be since no security is 100% foolproof despite reassurances otherwise. There's a couple Ted/X talks out there you can easily find to verify this for yourself. There are also numerous 3rd party apps and several developers who offer apps out there that provide solutions far better than anything biometric offers. Also, there are political parties over here that unfortunately enjoy all of those benefits and push their voting members to specifically go after those fraudulent activities so I highly doubt they would encourage adoption of that standard or the acceptance of it by any means.

Originally posted by E5hM4n:

Also, there are political parties over here that unfortunately enjoy all of those benefits and push their voting members to specifically go after those fraudulent activities so I highly doubt they would encourage adoption of that standard or the acceptance of it by any means.

Nah, control over the general populace far outweighs any of the benefits they receive from those actions you are alluding to, so I have not doubt they will push for biometric IDs if given the chance.

Originally posted by Mr_C_:

Originally posted by God-Jesus Lives:

So I am a cyber security expert (for real) and I live in a country in Europe where we have these smart ID's containing biometric identification information and it isn't a big deal and I don't know why you think it is. If America had this it would prevent or greatly disrupt: illegal employment, illegal voting, illegal bank account opening, welfare fraud, and make many legal transactions easier. Notaries use it to notarize documents remotely. You can make huge financial transactions without going to a bank or signing anything. America is in the stone age with their signature based documents and tax system, among many other things.

Not all documents require an actual signature. Attorneys have been submitting filings in the court systems for a few years now with an e-signature, as long as they are using the online filing systems as registered users (admitted to practice in the jurisdiction).

Then we have "tap to pay" and chips embedded in credit/debit cards, along with PINs. We might not be there, but we're not that far behind. I'm sure it's all about regulatory issues.

Ditto what Mr_C said. I work in a couple of industries that use e-signatures for all sorts of legal documents and we've been using them for 10+ years.

With that said, it's done nothing to stop or curtail fraud. Criminals simply adapt to new technology while citizens typically give up more and more privacy, data and personal freedoms.

Also, for those interested in this topic, Windows 11 can do a lot of the things that people here are concerned about, albeit without requiring biometric authentication. Honestly though, it doesn't really matter if biometrics are used or not if the result is the same.