Originally posted by Cigarette:

2025 Game Awards is a joke, we need the STEAM AWARDS

Title says it all, the steam awards should be a lot more than just voting our favorate games, I'd kill for valve themselves to host the Steam Game Awards / Valve Game Awards.

No politics, no rigging, no console exclusives. Just the best of the best games, players DIRECTLY choose, all to be revealed on a stage, and physical awards to not just winners, but nominations. Everyone should be a winner in an award show, not just one

Steam Awards final voting begins on December 18th.

Valve doesn't need a live event for their awards. Every awards show is the same.

Originally posted by Cigarette:

Title says it all, the steam awards should be a lot more than just voting our favorate games, I'd kill for valve themselves to host the Steam Game Awards / Valve Game Awards.

No politics, no rigging, no console exclusives. Just the best of the best games, players DIRECTLY choose, all to be revealed on a stage, and physical awards to not just winners, but nominations. Everyone should be a winner in an award show, not just one

If games win that you don't agree with, regardless of the format or how the winner is decided. I imagine you still won't be happy. Just move the goalposts, and claim users are no taste morons for not agreeing with you. Or decide people were cheating by voting for games they didn't actually play, or whatever.

If not you, then a hundred other malcontents. You should have your own awards, so the games you think should win, do. Your favorites don't really need validation, do they?

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Cigarette:

Title says it all, the steam awards should be a lot more than just voting our favorate games, I'd kill for valve themselves to host the Steam Game Awards / Valve Game Awards.

No politics, no rigging, no console exclusives. Just the best of the best games, players DIRECTLY choose, all to be revealed on a stage, and physical awards to not just winners, but nominations. Everyone should be a winner in an award show, not just one

If games win that you don't agree with, regardless of the format or how the winner is decided. I imagine you still won't be happy. Just move the goalposts, and claim users are no taste morons for not agreeing with you. Or decide people were cheating by voting for games they didn't actually play, or whatever.

If not you, then a hundred other malcontents. You should have your own awards, so the games you think should win, do. Your favorites don't really need validation, do they?

The awards allways ends up in drama, and this year just feels no different.

Ex33 is a great game, i'm sure, but it's also one i have no idea about. I've never seen it advertised, I've never seen it on steam, and I've never seen any coverage on it on my youtube. I've seen so many games but this is just one i didnt know existed, especially when we have such amazing games this year like Dispatch, Silksong, and Deliverance 2.

All i know is from my POV this game never even existed untill it somehow won 9 awards, and seemingly a lot of people agree is bogus. Again it's not a bad game, it's just from what i've seen, it has had zero coverage

So your ignorance is a winning game's problem?

I haven't played it either. I've seen it plenty since launch. And so have a bunch of other people obviously. So... there you go.

Is it so hard to accept you missed something? That something flew under your radar?

It is somewhat of a shame for one fake industry cabal to show up and steal all the oxygen by being the first to trademark "The Game Awards" but it would not be the first hobby that such a thing happened to.

Also if you turn it into a pure democracy you will just have Wukong sweep every year.

Originally posted by nullable:

So your ignorance is a winning game's problem?

I haven't played it either. I've seen it plenty since launch. And so have a bunch of other people obviously. So... there you go.

Is it so hard to accept you missed something? That something flew under your radar?

People voted, and i get it, i'm upset they won and games i like didn't, it comes natural to everyone, but i'm moreso just confused on how Ex33 won when i didn't even know of its existance.

and to my origional point since were getting a little off-topic, i really just want to see the steam awards take a more front seat akin to the game awards. Truth be told i know little about the game awards, especially when it comes to its management, but having a single privately owned company with a reputation like Valve puts more trust in the votes than the awards show.

Voting is somthing i'm 50/50 on as well, because on one side i'm happy with a 1-vote-only per catagory, but at the same time i also like the idea of ranking a Top 5 or Top 3 per catagory, so if your favorate looses, your vote gets moved to the second favorate.

All awards are popularity contests. Always has been, always will be.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

It is somewhat of a shame for one fake industry cabal to show up and steal all the oxygen by being the first to trademark "The Game Awards" but it would not be the first hobby that such a thing happened to.

Also if you turn it into a pure democracy you will just have Wukong sweep every year.

On one hand i think all games should be eligable, on the other, games are so diverse, and expecially /who owns them/

AAA has been crushing Indie developers for a long time, and only in recent years have indie developers really began to get the spot light thanks to how poorly made a lot of AAA games are made now

Originally posted by Yzal:

All awards are popularity contests. Always has been, always will be.

That's kinda the thing too, it's not just "What game is better", it's more "What game can hype people to vote for them the most" awards.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

It is somewhat of a shame for one fake industry cabal to show up and steal all the oxygen by being the first to trademark "The Game Awards" but it would not be the first hobby that such a thing happened to.

Also if you turn it into a pure democracy you will just have Wukong sweep every year.

I don't know, i really compare it to hollywoods red carpet, both award shows feel like they lost their values over the year as both industries are beginning to be pumped full of low qaulity products, i mean look at the new COD game.

Once again were left with either indie creators picking up the main industries slack, or praying at least one part of the industry is competant enough to create a worthwhile game

Also i need to verify if this is true, becuase google isnt allways correct, but supposedly according to googles search assist:

"Votes for The Game Awards are determined by a blended system where an international jury of over 100 media and influencer sources controls 90% of the vote, while public fan voting accounts for the remaining 10%."

If this is true, then this is a horrible way to vote. 100% of votes should come from voters, not influences who, supprise supprise, can be easily biased for or against a game.

Originally posted by Cigarette:

Also i need to verify if this is true, becuase google isnt allways correct, but supposedly according to googles search assist:

"Votes for The Game Awards are determined by a blended system where an international jury of over 100 media and influencer sources controls 90% of the vote, while public fan voting accounts for the remaining 10%."

If this is true, then this is a horrible way to vote. 100% of votes should come from voters, not influences who, supprise supprise, can be easily biased for or against a game.

The Game Awards have nothing to do with Steam.

Go bug Geoff Keighley about how his Award show handles nominations and final voting.

Originally posted by Cigarette:

Also i need to verify if this is true, becuase google isnt allways correct, but supposedly according to googles search assist:

"Votes for The Game Awards are determined by a blended system where an international jury of over 100 media and influencer sources controls 90% of the vote, while public fan voting accounts for the remaining 10%."

If this is true, then this is a horrible way to vote. 100% of votes should come from voters, not influences who, supprise supprise, can be easily biased for or against a game.

Maybe, but who ever is in charge of the game awards gets to make the decisions. Sounds like you should make your own awards, with ranked choice voting and everything the way you think it should be. After all if your idea isn't good enough for you to put time and effort into it, why should anyone else?

Although I think the risk in letting users vote is sometimes users can be influenced into voting as a bloc for something silly. See Boaty McBoatFace.

Methinks you won't be happy when users don't behave like you want them to. And surprise surprise, they often won't. It's one of the reasons we can't have nice things.

Originally posted by Cigarette:

Originally posted by nullable:

So your ignorance is a winning game's problem?

I haven't played it either. I've seen it plenty since launch. And so have a bunch of other people obviously. So... there you go.

Is it so hard to accept you missed something? That something flew under your radar?

People voted, and i get it, i'm upset they won and games i like didn't, it comes natural to everyone, but i'm moreso just confused on how Ex33 won when i didn't even know of its existance.

No offense meant, OP, but have you been living under a rock this year? Clair Obscur has been all over gaming coverage (at least on YT and a lot of gaming sites), been a top seller on Steam several times, been in the top 100 most played games on SteamDB multiple times, and probably been streamed a lot on twitch too (I wouldn’t know, I don’t watch twitch).

Unless a large chunk of users make alts to brigade the Steam awards out of spite (which I heavily suspect they did last year), I’ll be shocked if Clair Obscur doesn’t win at least one Steam award too.

Astroboy winning over Black Myth Wukong was incredibly controversial. Clair Obscur winning, was the expectation going in, so I don't really see any controversy even if any given individual wasn't familiar with it despite it being all over the internet.

Now on Steam it has a harder path, because popularity matters more on Steam, so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out with, Silksong, KCD2, and Clair being the front runners imo. But the Steam awards aren't some bastion of quality by any stretch either. I mean I think you can point to numerous "wtf" winners or nominee's in any given year no matter the awards.